Efter 21.9.1805 - The Thorvaldsens Museum Archives


	No. 490 of 10319

No. 490 of 10319

Sender	Date	Recipient
Bertel Thorvaldsen [+] Sender’s Location Rom	Efter 21.9.1805 [+] Dating based on Dateringen hviler på følgende forhold: Listen for neden har med Theodor von der Ropps bestilling 1804-05 at gøre; omtalen af Caspar Bartholin og C.F.F. Stanley daterer listen til 1805, hvor de begge var i Rom; og vigtigst, Thorvaldsen omtaler sin rejse fra Montenero, 11.9.1805, til Rom, som han ankom til 21.9.1805. Ergo: Tekstfragmentet må være skrevet i 1805 efter Thorvaldsens tilbagekomst til Rom 21.9.1805, og da Bartholin døde 28.9.1805, må fragmentet stamme fra før denne dato.	Herman Schubart [+] Recipient’s Location Montenero
Abstract Fragment of a draft letter: Thorvaldsen has arrived in Rome, he mentions Caspar Bartholin and C.F.F. Stanley. A partial list of Theodor von der Ropp’s commission.

Sender

Date

Recipient

Bertel Thorvaldsen [+]

Sender’s Location

Rom

Efter 21.9.1805 [+]

Dating based on

Dateringen hviler på følgende forhold: Listen for neden har med Theodor von der Ropps bestilling 1804-05 at gøre; omtalen af Caspar Bartholin og C.F.F. Stanley daterer listen til 1805, hvor de begge var i Rom; og vigtigst, Thorvaldsen omtaler sin rejse fra Montenero, 11.9.1805, til Rom, som han ankom til 21.9.1805.
Ergo: Tekstfragmentet må være skrevet i 1805 efter Thorvaldsens tilbagekomst til Rom 21.9.1805, og da Bartholin døde 28.9.1805, må fragmentet stamme fra før denne dato.

Herman Schubart [+]

Recipient’s Location

Montenero

Abstract

Fragment of a draft letter: Thorvaldsen has arrived in Rome, he mentions Caspar Bartholin and C.F.F. Stanley. A partial list of Theodor von der Ropp’s commission.

...Deres Eccellenza den smerte[lige][?]
...[Ti]lbage Komst fra Deres beha[gelige]
...yndige MonteNero
...~~til Rom fra~~ Deres behagelig[e]
...Monte Nero, kan jeg ikke beskri[ve]
...ved mine ankomst hertil Rom
...og Elskværdige Bartolini Drage [med Døden?]
...Undoms Ven den for[xx]ske Stanley De ka[x]

[liste med værker, vendt 90 grader i forhold til ovenstående:]

Apollo
Ariana
Homer
Geseror
Melpomene
Sapho
Venus

60
60
60
50
50
50
40

...Your Excellency the painful [?]
...Return from your pleasant
...lovely Montenero
...~~to Rome from~~ your pleasant
...Montenero, I can not describe
...at my arrival here at Rome
...and kind Bartolini is struggling [with death?]
...a friend of my youth [for [xx}ske] Stanley you can

[A list of works, turned 90 degrees compared to the above:]

Apollo
Ariana
Homer
Cicero
Melpomene
Sapho
Venus

60
60
60
50
50
50
40

[Translated by Karen Husum]

General Comment
Fragment of a draft, where part of the paper has been torn off. There is also a list of works related to Theodor von der Ropp’s Commission from 1804-05 of marble copies of antique busts. On the back there is a bill from Camillo Buti, Thorvaldsen’s landlord in Casa Buti. The bill is reproduced separately. It appears from the context that the draft is addressed to Schubart, probably as part of another draft of the same date.
Archival Reference
m35 I, nr. 15
Document Type
Draft, autograph
Thiele
Ikke omtalt hos Thiele.
Subjects
Copying Antiquity · Montenero · Portrait Busts, Historical Persons · Ropp's Commission 1804-05 · Thorvaldsen's Italian Journeys
Persons
Caspar Bartholin · C.F.F. Stanley

General Comment

Fragment of a draft, where part of the paper has been torn off. There is also a list of works related to Theodor von der Ropp’s Commission from 1804-05 of marble copies of antique busts.
On the back there is a bill from Camillo Buti, Thorvaldsen’s landlord in Casa Buti. The bill is reproduced separately.
It appears from the context that the draft is addressed to Schubart, probably as part of another draft of the same date.

Archival Reference

m35 I, nr. 15

Document Type

Draft, autograph

Thiele

Ikke omtalt hos Thiele.

Subjects

Copying Antiquity · Montenero · Portrait Busts, Historical Persons · Ropp's Commission 1804-05 · Thorvaldsen's Italian Journeys

Persons

Caspar Bartholin · C.F.F. Stanley