Omkring 1.9.1805

Sender

Bertel Thorvaldsen

Sender’s Location

Montenero

Recipient

Bertel Thorvaldsen

Recipient’s Location

Montenero

Dating based on

Se den generelle kommentar.

Abstract

Thorvaldsen’s account of debts and loans.

Document

StanleyI Laant
BøndelII d 21 August
BartolinIII
d 24 Ditto WahlIV

d. 1 September
Sengnor BudiV
Bøndel den 3 Sept
d. Ditto 5
Bøndel d. 6
Piaster
10
1
12


4
1
1
8

Oversættelse af dokument

Stanley borrowed
Bøndel August 21st
Bartolin
Ditto 24th Wahl

September 1st
Signor Budi
Bøndel sept. 3rd
Ditto 5th
Bøndel 6th
Piastre
10
1
12


4
1
1
8


[Translated by Karen Husum]

General Comment

The document is a list of small loans to various people. The crossed-out names have probably repaid their loan.
The document can be dated quite precisely. It dates from around 1.9.1805 and is closely connected to C.F.F. Stanley’s report from Rome regarding loans of money on Thorvaldsen’s behalf in letter of 24.8.1805 to Montenero: “…you thought they would come and return the money you lent them, well, cheers – my dear, now I have become a cashier[,] the day before yesterday I lent Bøndel 10 Piastres and today Vahl 12.”
As can be seen, the sums and the dates for Conrad Christian Bøhndel and Johan Georg Wahl fit almost precisely.
This dating also fits the fact that Wahl only arrived in Rome during 1805.
Therefore, Thorvaldsen probably wrote the note at Montenero in order to remember how much of his money Stanley had lent to needy Danes while Thorvaldsen was away. This practice was apparently quite normal, see also letter of 7.9.1805 from Stanley to Thorvaldsen: “Now I, poor man, have lent to other poor fellows 37 piastres but we will keep it to ourselves.” Here Stanley is clearly not referring to his own money but to Thorvaldsen’s, which he managed during the sculptor’s absence from Rome.
On the back of this document there is a older draft of medio april 1804. The note is thus a good example of the reuse of paper that Thorvaldsen was known for.

Document Type

Egenhændigt udkast

Archival Reference

m35 I, nr. 13v

Subjects

Persons

Commentaries

  1. The Danish architect C.F.F. Stanley.

  2. The Danish painter Conrad Christian Bøhndel. The 10 piastres he borrowed in August 1805 from Thorvaldsen through Stanley seem to have been repaid during September, when the last three entries on the list are related to Bøhndel and amount to ten piasters in all.

  3. Probably the Danish jurist and officer Caspar Bartholin.

  4. The Danish painter Johan Georg Wahl.

  5. Thorvaldsen’s landlord at Casa Buti, Camillo Buti. Cf. Stanley’s mention of the family as “Budes” in letter of 30.8.1805.
    The amount of four and the date September 1st make it likely that this is Thorvaldsen’s monthly rent for his rooms in Casa Buti as a bill for rent probably of 22.11.1804 and probably from Camillo Buti to Thorvaldsen seems to show that the sculptor paid four scudi a month in rent.
    However, the fact that the other sums in this note are in piastres weakens the claim that the amount was to pay the rent for September, but Thorvaldsen may not have had any problems dealing with both piastres and scudi in the same memo.

Last updated 16.08.2017