Presumably not later than January 1798

Sender

Bertel Thorvaldsen

Sender’s Location

Rom

Recipient

Bertel Thorvaldsen

Recipient’s Location

Rom

Information on recipient

Ingen udskrift.

Dating based on

Dateringen fremgår af ikke brevet. Skitsen Profilportræt af ung mand – arkitekten Carlo Francesco Bassi?, C492r, der findes på samme ark, kan dog senest være udført i januar 1798, hvor Bassi forlod Rom. Den 27.1.1798 skrev han sin afskedshilsen i Thorvaldsens stambog. Påskrifterne kan derimod være både samtidige eller senere, dog senest fra tiden omkring 1805, hvor Thorvaldsen antog, at hans buste af Agrippa, A759, var solgt. For mere herom se kommentarerne til brevet. Dateringen følger her skitsens.

Abstract

Accounts or lists, possibly regarding Agrippa, cf. A759, and other works by Thorvaldsen.

Document

[papiret mangler] KoffeI [papiret mangler]

3 palII Monete GroseIII
4 —   Grose
4    


[På papirets bagside:]

Bekommet paa Buste Agrip[pa]IV [papiret mangler]

[papiret mangler] dorV
[papiret mangler]
[papiret mangler]
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2 —
4 —
1 —
1 —
1 —
2 —
1 —
1 —
1 —
1 —
1 —
1 —
1 —
1 —
1 —

1 PeszedoreVI
1 PeszidoreVII
1 —
1 —
5
1


[Nederst på siden til højre:]

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Oversættelse af dokument

[paper is missing] Koffe [paper is missing]

3 pal Monete Grose
4 —   Grose
4    


[on the back of the paper:]

Received for the bust Agrippa [paper is missing]

[papiret mangler] dor
[papiret mangler]
[papiret mangler]
[papiret mangler]
2 —
4 —
1 —
1 —
1 —
2 —
1 —
1 —
1 —
1 —
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1 —
1 —
1 —
1 —

1 pezzi d’Oro
1 pezzi d’Oro
1 —
1 —
5
1


[at the bottom of the page right:]

27

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24


[Translated by Karen Husum]

General Comment

At the top of the paper there is the sketch Profile Portrait of a Young Man – the architect Carlo Francesco Bassi?, C492r.


It is not known what Thorvaldsen lists here, probably works, but the few preserved words are difficult to read and full of spelling mistakes, so it is impossible to establish what.

Document Type

Færdigt egenhændigt dokument

Archival Reference

C492v

Thiele

Ikke omtalt hos Thiele.

Subjects

Persons

Works

C492r Profilportræt af en ung mand, arkitekten Carlo Francesco Bassi(?), 1797-1798, inv.nr. C492r
A759 Agrippa, 1799-1800, inv.nr. A759

Commentaries

  1. The meaning is unclear as the rest of the word is missing.

  2. This may be an abbreviation of the Italian measure “palmo”, cf. the related article about the Weights and Measures of the time.
    It may also be a reference to an abbreviation of the monetary unit “paolo”, cf. the related article about the Monetary Units of the time.

  3. This may refer to the monetary units “grosso”, cf. the related article about the Monetary Units of the time.

  4. I.e. probably Thorvaldsen’s Agrippa, A759, a marble copy of an antique bust.
    This bust dates from 1799-1800. When Thorvaldsen here writes what he has “received for” Agrippa, he must mean that he has received money by selling a copy of it.
    The bust, however, was not sold but transported to Denmark in 1802 as proof of Thorvaldsen’s progress in marble carving, cf. Transportation of Thorvaldsen’s Artworks to Copenhagen 1798 and 1802.

    There are at least two possible explanations of the reference to the bust on this sheet – the first being that Thorvaldsen‘s note about the bust has been made some years after the sketch of Bassi, cf. C492r, on the recto of the paper because, around 1805, he thought that the bust had been sold, cf. his letter dated 28.7.1805 to Nicolai Abildgaard. In this case, the note must have been written around 1805.
    Another possibility is that, around 1797-98, Thorvaldsen had made another, today unknown, copy of Agrippa, or maybe just a plaster cast, which he had sold and thus “received” payment for. This possibility exists, but so far no other sources support this.

  5. The missing word might be Louis so that it refers to the monetary unit, the Louis d’or.

  6. Probably Pezzi d’Oro, i.e. gold coins. See also the article about Thorvaldsen’s Spoken and Written Language, and the article about Monetary Units.

  7. Probably Pezzi d’Oro, i.e. gold coins. See also the article about Thorvaldsen’s Spoken and Written Language, and the article about Monetary Units.

Last updated 31.08.2017